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Eve Carson and Lauren Burk, Rest in Peace

Date: 3/7/2008

National News  
Posted By: Matt


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Posted by: Matt Date: 3/9/2008 10:51:08 PM  
Yeah, it appears I was completely wrong about Lauren Burk, as they've arrested someone who was responsible for a string of robberies in the area and charged him in her murder.

Also, if that character at the ATM killed Eve Carson, I have a feeling it was random.

I'm certain whether it's more or less comforting to conclude that these were random acts instead of the psychotic deeds of stalkers. Neither, I suppose. Just horrifying all the way around.

Posted by: T. Randall Taylor Date: 3/8/2008 12:43:12 PM  
MSNBC is reporting that the police have two surveillance videos from an ATM where a suspect was using her card. Looks like robbery could be a motive.

How much money can you get in one withdrawal? $200? Life is cheap, man.

Posted by: CDG Date: 3/7/2008 11:34:53 PM  
The handgun thing is a real issue but as someone who lives in a country where the total handgun deaths per year are usually less than 600-700 TOTAL, I honestly believe that where there is someone who is seriously intent on hurting someone - like a stalker would be or even a gang intent on initiating a new recruit - the absence of a handgun wouldn't have prevented the ultimate violence.

For me the problem is violence.

Don't get me wrong, handgun control is unbelieveably important. I know the Canadian population and gun-death statistics are not quite comparable to the US but I still think the expereince of most of the rest of the Western world does demonstrate that gun control policies can effectively diminish gun crimes.

Ultimately, however, I agree with Matt - my gut says that these tragic killings have more to do with violence against these women than the fact that the violence was carried out with a gun. What we really need to figure out how to control is the violence itself. And there is no easy fix for that.

Posted by: Matt Date: 3/7/2008 4:56:31 PM  
Dan, you're right as far as I'm concerned and I agree with you. Better handgun control in this country would be very, very nice - - although when they solve these murders, we will probably find that theere was nothing that stricter laws could have done. I'm absolutely convinced that Eve Carson, at least, was killed by some insane stalker (with a prior connection to her or not) or by some gang as part of an initiation. The former is probably more likely. There aren't as many facts available about Lauren Burk, and she wasn't as high-profile at Auburn as Eve Carson was at UNC (a freshman, not a senior - - not the president of the class), but you don't see too many random crimes where the perpetrators burn the victim's car - - on campus, no less. She could have been the victim of some jealous a-hole as well.

Thanks for your comments and I hope you'll continue to post here.

Posted by: Date: 3/7/2008 3:03:30 PM  
bluedevilyn mentions condolences and thoughts don't seem like enough, and she is right...

I don't want to start one of these "... only criminals will have guns" debates in a forum where respect and condolences are the topic, so please don't "engage." I just want to say that anyone who is interested in bringing this country's per capita murder rate down to that of the rest of the 1st World countries could contribute by actively supporting candidates who will fight for hand gun control, and pressuring candidates who are afraid to discuss it for fear of angering the NRA (starting with the 3 remaining viable Pres candidates). At least you will feel that you are doing something positive to fight this problem, even though it is far too late to help these particular victims as well as those at VPI, NIU, etc., etc., ad nauseum.


Posted by: bluedevilyn Date: 3/7/2008 2:39:51 PM  
This is just tragic. Reading of all the accomplishments this young lady had under her belt at the young age of 22 only serves to make it even more tragic.

Also, as a Mother, these things terrify me. I cannot say that I know how anyone who knew and was touched by her in her life feels, because I do not...all I can do is offer my condolences and thoughts...and that pisses me off, because it just doesn't seem like enough.

There was some weird stuff that happened at Appalachian State, too, this week...they had to close the campus...but I do not know what ended up happening with that.

You have to ask yourself just what kind of world in which we are living so much these days...at any rate, it is a damn shame and such a waste...just such a waste of a beautiful, intelligent and kind human being. It just sickens me.

Posted by: Date: 3/7/2008 1:44:24 PM  
Both beautiful young women with everything ahead of them, making the grief their families and friends are feeling all the more crushing. Condolences are all we can offer, and sadly, they bring little comfort. Still I cannot be sorrier for your loss - I look at my young children and I cannot imagine... just cannot imagine...

Posted by: Lexie Hoerl Date: 3/7/2008 1:37:57 PM  
This breaks my heart in a million ways. I can't imagine what I'd do if this happened to one of my students.

All I can do here is type "condolences," despite the fact that the word feels woefully inadequate to the task. I hope that the Carson and Burk families are able to draw strength from the communities that surround them and surrounded their daughters in order to begin healing. I thought about both these women at Mass today, and I'm sure I will do so again on Sunday.

I wish I was there so I could tell the women of Carolina to be careful, but to stay strong, fearless and fabulous, just like Carolina women were back in my day.

--LH, Carolina c/o 2002

Posted by: CDG Date: 3/7/2008 9:05:00 AM  
I completely second Matt's comments. This is truly unspeakable.

Condolences to these women's family, friends and to the campuses of both Universities.

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